Some Future Day

Marc Beckman: Zeev, it is such a pleasure to see you. Welcome to some future day.
Zeev Fragachan: Thank you, Marc. It's a pleasure to be here.
Marc Beckman: Zeev, it's a serious topic, and in getting to know you briefly, there's really global comparisons and implications Americans tend to look within. But I'm curious, why has the United States experienced over 2000 school shootings since Columbine, while countries like Japan, the United Kingdom in Germany.
Similar, similar levels of media exposure report. Virtually no school shootings.
Zeev Fragachan: Well, Marc, we need to start at, uh, the core of the problem. And I think it's unfair to compare the media in the United States with the media. For example, in Great Britain. Lemme tell you that, uh, in Great Britain, they, uh, they take away guns from everybody. Years ago, most of police officers are not even armed. Um.
Yeah. But if you go to the court of a problem right now, just in 2024, there were 3,200 stabbings in schools alone in the United Kingdom, unfortunately, by the laws of the United Kingdom. Most of that information never made to the media. Uh, the names of. All 3,200 stabbings. Uh, not just the victims, but the people who actually perpetrated also kept, um, uh, from the media and from the general public because of what they call fear of retribution to specific groups of people. Um, so it's, it is unfair, I think, to compare one to the other. Um, again, you, you mentioned it very well, we. Tend to see only what happened in the United States and don't see what's going on around the world.
Marc Beckman: you know, Zeev, the data, the data that I'm sharing is coming, you know, from the government. It's, it's derived from the Center for Homeland Defense and Security, and it, uh, runs between, just to be specific for the audience, it runs between 1999 and 2024. You're saying, if I understand correctly, like.
These perpetrators, like perhaps there's a particular profile and that type of person will use any weapon they could get their hand on. So if I understand correctly, you're saying, okay, in the United Kingdom, you're going back in time where weapons have been removed from the streets, much smaller marketplace.
We'll get into that topic as it relates to an in America in a second. But you're saying the UK isn't reporting accurately because weapons, or weapons and stabbings are just as terrible in in the setting of a school as shootings.
Zeev Fragachan: Correct. That is exactly what, what I mean with that, and when I make the analogy is because, and I have this conversation with many people, uh, when they go back to us, why this is only happening in the United States and this is not, um, we just, just, we just. Miss the point that violence in schools, either if it's a stabbing or when you pull a gun and you actually kill people with that, with a weapon regardless of the weapon, they're acts of violence.
And that is a phenomenon that is not wide understand. Uh, and it's a phenomenon that is not just happening in the United States, it's global, uh,
Marc Beckman: you, so you,
Zeev Fragachan: it happening United Kingdom, it happening Europe, it happening
Marc Beckman: but,
Zeev Fragachan: happening
Marc Beckman: but. But focusing on your comments with regards to the UK and stabbings in particular, it's kind of interesting because you're saying there's a particular profile that the United Kingdom, either the government and or the media is protecting, and do I understand that correctly?
Zeev Fragachan: is correct. Uh, the vast majority of those are of immigrant origin. Um. They come from, um, Muslim countries. Um, they, they, if you go through the broader spectrum of violence in United Kingdom and in Europe, the majority of these cases are revenge, killings, uh, revenge, uh, honor killings, um, and very, there are a lot of relationship between their condition and the country of origin and, and the origin of that violence,
Marc Beckman: Revenge killings in school.
Zeev Fragachan: correct.
Marc Beckman: What's a revenge killing?
Zeev Fragachan: Well, it's very simple. Um, it when, when you have two groups of people and they, um, they are in conflict with each other and one of them prevailed for any chance out of the school, they may bring grunge, that, that, that the, that grunge to the school and revenge, uh, by stabbing or hurting that person in school is, is an act of revenge.
Is is that revenge killing?
Marc Beckman: So it sounds like a situation like that would be difficult to detect, whereas here in the United States, it's my understanding that there's a common psychological profile of these school shooters. Am I correct?
Zeev Fragachan: Yes. When you see the last cases of, uh, school shootings, specifically from Columbine to now, you can see that trait. You can see that the, the, the factors of. Mental health are prevalent on, on all of them. However, if we go to the broad context of, uh, school shootings, we gotta go to the very core. The first school shooting in the United States happened in 1764. And, and we have, we have been living as a nation with, with shooting in schools since, really before we were a nation. So, so the motivations were different. But the, but the school shootings and the violence schools and education are being prevalent in, in our education system since the beginning. And not just here, but in a raw context, uh, around the world.
Marc Beckman: So does that psychological profile though date all the way back pre 1776. And if so, what is the psychological profile of a school shooter in the United States of America?
Zeev Fragachan: Uh, as I mentioned, um, motivation are very difficult to establish when, when those years pass, we talking about two, 300 years ago. Um, however, most of these cases that happened prior. Most of them that have been prior to Columbine were related. They were not directly related to mental health, were related to cultural, were related to, um, to, um, unfairness in, in the school system. Um, remember that the, uh, physical punishment was something document and a well-known and actually something that was encouraged. In the education system, um, in the beginning of, of this nation and, uh, and around the world, um, we stopped doing that, uh, as, as a, as a society, um, by the end of the fifties. Um, so right after World War ii, um, you also, if you go to the budha with contracts of this, you see the cases, the, the acceleration of cases of active shooters and, and violence in school. Right after military conflict, after the first World War, we have a peak. We have another peak right after Second World War. Uh, we have another peak right between the sixties and the seventies where, uh, there were the, the experimentation with the hallucination, hallucinating drugs, and people were coming from the Vietnam world and Korea. Um, we have a peak in cases now. When you go right now on what's happening after Columbine, it's a bit different. Uh, I've been studying that for, for, for a little bit, and I can tell you that this is some of the things that we found, um, right after Columbine and in its nineties and the, and the year. Year, the early 200, two thousands, we have a shift, a cultural shift. We have the, uh, uh, studies that suggest that, uh, we were changing the way we were raising our kids. We, try to be more understanding to them and we try. There was a, um, uh, a, the intention to prevent the kids, uh, from feeling, um, um. How you say that? Uh, from experience failure,
Marc Beckman: Right. This is like the culture where everybody gets a trophy. You're saying
Zeev Fragachan: So, so if,
Marc Beckman: similar to like Afghanistan around nine 11, all of those people that were. Um, within the Afghanistan culture, those guys would all, all the kids would win trophies. Right. Obviously being sar very sarcastic right now.
Zeev Fragachan: So, so lemme tell you, lemme tell you what happens. So, uh, if you study the brain of a, of a, of a child, uh, from born to until you are seven years old, you have to wire the brain paths and you learn how to walk. You learn how to speak, you learn how to dexterity, how to interact with people, language, uh, learning. But you also learn how to deal with your emotions. When you give the participation awards that you mentioned to kids in that age, you are preventing them to feel what failure like and, and life is part of that. Failure is part of life and part of growing. When you take that away from them, you are just raising individuals who do not have the toolkit to deal with failure. you have young adults. Not equipped to deal with failure than trying to learn in in, in school what is supposed to be learning home. Remember that you form an individual in home, you go to school to get instructed, not form as an individual. When kids do not found that formation home, where do you think they go?
They go. To the school when they're not gonna found, or they go to social media Now in the last 20 years, they go to social media to learn that from there. And who is in giving those values? Who is giving that instruction specifically to people that not necessarily is equipped to deal with failure? When you put all these together, you have the perfect storm than we are seeing right now. If you go back to most of the cases that we have, these are, are kids with very low self-esteem, low values, very minimal, very minimal, uh, um, values teach at home, and all of them, almost, almost a hundred percent of them dealing with why I am failing. Where's my participation award?
Marc Beckman: So this part, so, so you're breaking down the psychological profile, the consistency that you just shared is established. Right. I understand that. So you're not talking about really mentally ill people. According to what you just described, you're talking to people who might have low self-esteem.
Um, don't have a strong support system in their home and have exposed themselves to other groups, um, other media, social media in school and beyond that are giving them this like killer instinct.
Zeev Fragachan: Yes. However, remember that the prevalence also, I mean, there is always a possibility to have somebody with a chemical imbalance in their brain,
Marc Beckman: Sure. But you're saying that's the minority I.
Zeev Fragachan: correct. Undiagnosed schizophrenia would happen and happen a lot in schools more than
Marc Beckman: Uh, all right.
Zeev Fragachan: but at a early age, this is something that normally you will, you will found
Marc Beckman: Uh,
Zeev Fragachan: at a very, very early age.
So it is easier to catch.
Marc Beckman: so Zeev like one, one of, uh, my guests as you're aware, was Max Schachter. His son was killed in the Parkland, uh, shootings, and, he, he indicated that there are early warning signs. That there is essentially leakage where in that instance, that killer, that piece of garbage went ahead and was basically bragging that he was going to do this for a long time prior to the shooting in social media.
It was even like, I think the, if I remember correctly, I think the, even the FBI, uh, was put on notice beforehand, so. If you're saying that you understand precisely what that killer profile is like, and if Max is correct with his analysis that there's leakage, that these, these killers are going to act beforehand, why can't we thread the needle?
Why are we unable to start? To your point at the root, I think that's the word you used, get in the home, teach better values, give these people that are going to turn into future killers, more security, more confidence. Um, understand that. What's right and what's wrong is important to live by. Why aren't we able to stop it in advance?
Zeev Fragachan: Well, lemme tell you, that's a huge question. It's, it's very diff, it will be very difficult. For me to tell you one thing, and this is I think is, is part of the problem. People try to over try to oversimplify the
Marc Beckman: I.
Zeev Fragachan: of this. Lemme tell you that there is a political problem here. Um, there's also a cultural issue. Uh, remember that right now most of, uh, families in the United States, both parents work and both parents work one or two jobs.
Marc Beckman: Is that the cultural issue?
Zeev Fragachan: that is, that is a social issue,
Marc Beckman: Okay.
Zeev Fragachan: is a social issue. Uh,
Marc Beckman: What? Okay.
Zeev Fragachan: too, because we are shifting from being a industrial society to be a digital society. Uh, the amount of information that you got unfiltered out there that you can found in,
Marc Beckman: know.
Zeev Fragachan: in, in, in the media is, is, is overwhelming. but to your point here in Florida, we, we, until very, very. Recent, almost a month ago. We have seven years. have have seven years when we prevent so many tragedies, years after Stone Douglas, where all the political uh, uh, establishment, the law enforcement establishment, even the private establishment work together and we were very successful until a month ago. I think we're still very successful. The, the, the rates of, uh, of, um, of prevention that we have are very high because we bring mental health to the schools. We know the signs, and we monitor social media through and through. You have to understand, and these individuals need that recognition again. see themselves a failure and they want to demonstrate to everybody, then they go to go in history by doing something. Uh, this is what the, the case of, uh, of, um, of Nikolas Cruz and many others. Then they were looking for that we are doing their game, their beat when they make, we make them famous
Marc Beckman: but I'm curious, just like hovering over that issue of social media and law. ' cause there's a, there's a thread here that you're touching on with regards to social media and lawmakers legislation.
So I'm curious like. Are you, has anyone within your industry or within uh, government been able to, like unequivocally prove that social media is playing a significant role, role in triggering these killers? And then take it a little further, is there any legislation in place that's really,
Zeev Fragachan: Wow.
Marc Beckman: uh, basically stopping or, or mitigating the impact of social media on, on these killers?
Zeev Fragachan: Let me tell you, I, I don't want you to confuse the terms. Um, it is not that the social media is triggering them, it's social media. It is the platform that they use to spread their message.
Marc Beckman: Okay.
Zeev Fragachan: and, and social media is also a platform that we use to early detect them and their intentions because they got a publishing social media because they need the recognition and they need the exposure.
Now,
Marc Beckman: I see.
Zeev Fragachan: just, I want you to keep it, you say something which is very, very important in Florida in order for you to. Operate a school after Stoneman Douglas. You have to have either the police or a certified safe school officer, somebody armed, trained, and certified in the school to protect the kids. that is important because if you go to statistics, school shooting last eight minutes, every eight seconds, somebody gets shot and the response from the police in the United States is between eight minutes to 10 minutes.
That means that the police will arrive. Too late when everybody's dead and the shooter most likely will commit suicide. And when you go to the FBI, about 75% of the cases in 2023, what happened. Police arrived too late,
Marc Beckman: In including Uvalde, right? Isn't Uvalde Texas where it's my understanding that they waited? Well, I, it's my understanding that Uvalde 19 police officers were on premise at the school during the shooting for over an hour. For over an hour. And yet they just sat there dormant. They didn't go in for over an hour.
I. And do you think, I know I'm jumping around here today with you, but this is a hot topic for me. I really get very passionate about it. Do you think that there should be, going back to the issue of legislation, do you think that there should be legislation enacted that holds those law enforcement officials accountable for failing to act
Zeev Fragachan: Well, that's what happened in Stoneman Douglas and after
Marc Beckman: correct.
Zeev Fragachan: that legislation was approved in Florida. Even that legislation even regulate the person that I put as a private company, a safe school officer in the school to protect the school. If I fail to act, I will be arrested and I will be persecuted. That is something that you don't see across the board. I mean, you see it only in Florida and this
Marc Beckman: Yeah, why not?
Zeev Fragachan: the problem. The part of the problem is that we have grave, we are at least 10 years, 10 lightyears ahead of everybody in the nation in Florida.
Marc Beckman: agree. I agree.
Zeev Fragachan: understand why some other is knowing these numbers.
Knowing these numbers. Some other states are failing to act. How
Marc Beckman: do you think it is, Zeev? Why? Why do you think the states are failing next? 'cause it's just government. I mean, that's what, if law enforcement officials can't get into our schools to protect our children, our next generation, what's the value? That's the most precious asset that this nation has? So what's the issue?
So tell me, like, here in the state of New York, we don't have a law that holds law enforcement accountable. In the event that there's a school shooter and a public school in New York City, the the police officers aren't legally obligated to rush into the school and take that gunman out.
Zeev Fragachan: Correct. Uh, and, and we learn. We supposed to learn in law enforcement after bdi, after, after, sorry, after, um, uh, Columbine,
Marc Beckman: Oh, Colin, wow.
Zeev Fragachan: all the way in 99.
Marc Beckman: Yeah.
Zeev Fragachan: That was the failure in Columbine, that the police arrived and they make a perimeter and they tried to negotiate with them. Well, they were killing people. They, after that we learned that whoever arrived first to the scene have to enter in translation. From 90, 99 to today, they lost that. We retake it after, after Mario and Stoneman Douglas make it legal. In Florida, the the, the key is this. long as we let the, the state politicians handle this, nothing's gonna happen.
The only thing that is gonna save the next generation is that we push for a federal mandate with the federal government, go back into a state and says, no, no, no. You cannot legally operate any school private, public charter if you don't have somebody trained and certified arm to protect that school. And then you would go to go back to politics. Because law enforcement, law enforcement, and I'm not saying all of them because we have very sympathetic sheriffs. They understand the value of this and they actually help us roll the law and pass the law in Florida to protect the schools. some law enforcement says, no, no. This is a purview of law enforcement and we are the only ones who's supposed to do it.
We don't have enough people to do it, but we wanna, but we only, the only ones who are gonna do it. That is a failure. That is a failure to the people. That is a failure to the kids that go to school and they do not sign to be in infantry and be in combat. And that is another thing. Those kids do not sign for that sign for that we are the ones who supposed to go there them. You see, I'm a father and I, and I will die for my kids. I will kill for my kids. And every time I'm protecting one schools, those kids in that school, they're my kids and nobody mess with my kids. I want somebody like that to protect my kids. That's it. End of the story. No negotiations here. And I, and I gotta tell you something, and it is, it is no political, but I am.
I'm scared. Every time somebody from the government come to me and says, I'm here from the government, I'm here to help you. I am scared because
Marc Beckman: Why.
Zeev Fragachan: this is people who are not interested in me. They're interested in a number, and, and that is, that is, that is something to take away from this conversation. We need to act as a, as a society, and we need to push for this. There's no negotiations about it.
Marc Beckman: So, so Zeev, I think you're, it's interesting 'cause what you're doing is really painting the picture of this ecosystem. Where there are are different levels of touch points. Uh, start with the, the, um, the, the killer, the shooter. Begin at home, try to create a safe, supportive, um, environment that is, um, uh, could create confidence and, and, uh, a certain level of support.
But then when we look at legislation, are you calling for national policy as it relates to holding the state level law enforcement officials accountable? Because I think that would be overreaching. I don't think that the federal government could do that. And then one more thing. As it relates to gun carrying in schools, it's my understanding and, and you'll know better than me, so correct me if I'm wrong please, but it's my understanding that there's already 30 state laws within the United States of America that permit gun carrying.
In schools where, where they permit some sort of the staff one way or another to have a gun in 30 states already. So if I'm, if that's accurate, and I'm, I'm gonna defer to you on, on verifying my information, but if I'm accurate with that, wouldn't the federal government say like, it's overreaching, we can't, you know, we don't have the, the, uh, legal authority to enforce.
Local state police to rush into a school shooting. And then second, the states are doing a good job. 30 outta the 50 states are already allowing for guns to be in the, in the school to protect the children. What do you need national legislation for?
Zeev Fragachan: Well, lemme tell you something, um, one, every time I go to school and I see a police officer waiting outside. I doing a report in his patrol car in front of the school, um, or just watching Netflix because he come from another job or whatever. Um, it's a disservice to all of us. Actually, the other day, I stopped walk by one and I asked him, let me ask you something.
If you have an active shortage in school right now, what are you gonna do? Oh, well, I will just watch in. Oh, really? Oh, let me ask you something. Um, you know that when there's an active shooter inside the school, you won't hear the shots outside, most likely that school is gonna go into code red, which is a lockdown, and you will be locked outside. I'm, but I'm law enforcement. Oh, So that means that what the, the shield would make you naturally appear inside and you take care of the, the shooter. No, no, no, no. I will, they open the door for me. Okay. Do you see me coming? No. Okay. What about this fight with the gun? Man, I just shot you and now I gotta go inside to shoot everybody else.
What you gonna do? So that is the problem and his
Marc Beckman: So that's one case that was a police officer. Was that a Florida police? Yeah.
Zeev Fragachan: so happen once. It happened a lot of time. So the problem for me is this, if this is the guy who's gotta co take care of my kids, who is gonna protect my kids with his life, and he's just waiting outside. That is a disservice to all of us.
Marc Beckman: Well.
Zeev Fragachan: policy should be, the policy should be that your job is to be with the kids, wherever the kids are. Meaning if the kids are in the cafeteria, guess where you are. If the kids are in the field where you, where are you? If the kids are in classroom, because we are instructional hours, your job is to check, then those doors are locked from the inside because if we have an active shooter today, I wanna make sure that they contain it. And I can shoot him because they, if, if the only one protecting that school and maybe that be a possibility, it's a high possibility of that. And the shooter get lucky and shot me and I'm dead. At least those doors are locked from the inside. And as a, an active shooter, normally do not shoot anything, then they cannot see.
If they cannot see me, I cannot penetrate that classroom. I will be safer. And then if, if they got me outside,
Marc Beckman: So,
Zeev Fragachan: in, in, in, in Stoneman Douglas
Marc Beckman: I know, I know. They cover the windows, right? They, they Right.
Zeev Fragachan: And there's a procedure for that. But again, that is a disservice. Now going back to what you're saying, I'm not saying that the police is the only one who's supposed to do it. We have a program in Florida and we, we, we, me I, 99% of my employees are retired law enforcement veterans. Why? 'cause I need people who know what is to be in combat and what is to be armed most of their life. So I can train them to get to that level, tread to that level. And I'm talking about people who act and I'm sure they go to act in case something like this happen. Why I told you that? they try, we try to do the same thing and we bring that from Israel. So, so, so a lot of teachers, because of the, the, the, the school location, the arm, but in Israel, everybody served three years. Everybody's an infantry man trained. don't have that, luxury in the United States.
We try to do that in Florida, and we have several teachers trying, attempt to do this, shooting themselves in the, in the, in the range in front of the sheriff, which is the, which is the people who were, um, um. Uh, training them and certifying them. And then you have the other ones who just cannot pass because the level, so I'll give you an an example school.
Um, in the beginning of this program in Florida, I. officer have to, in order to be in the street, you have to qualify a 15 yards, a 75% of accuracy. To be a safe code officer or a guardian, you have to shoot at 25, uh uh yards, 85% of accuracy. Why? Because I am not supposed to be shooting somebody in the street. supposed to shoot somebody with a weapon in a classroom full of kids with kids behind, kids in front or in between teachers. People, innocent people. You own every bullet than you should. So I have to shoot better than a police officer to be in a school. If we put those, those concept, if we put those, those standards very, very high, I'm quite sure that we can protect all the schools.
We gotta create jobs, we gotta bring a lot of veterans that are right now looking for a a, a purpose in life. this is a good purpose. We are protecting life. We're protecting kids. Keep saying that, that when people talk about security and say, I can't care less about any vehicle park outside the school, insurance will pay for that. There is no insurance in the world who is gonna pay for a minute of a second of your life. And more importantly, life of the kids and the staff in the school. That is what we are here to protect life. If we go through that mentality and we create a federal mandate where you cannot operate a school, if you don't have either law enforcement or a certified safe call officer in the in, in that, in that location, you'll see the difference because a lot of these shootings happen because the kids know, and the perpetrators know there's nobody to respond.
Marc Beckman: So, so Zeev you, you, you mentioned, um, Israel, I know your background is, uh, Israeli and you were trained in the IDF. Israel obviously has a mandatory military service, but, um, is there any type of similar legislation, if I, I understand as far as Israel, there are like zero school shootings. Is that accurate?
Zeev Fragachan: Yes.
Marc Beckman: Okay, so, so if there are zero school shootings in, in Israel, is that because of the, the military training that the entire society goes through, or is it because there's existing legislation in Israel that is working on a, on a national letter, better level, better than here in the United States?
Zeev Fragachan: Both. And I also need to add that for us is, is, is life or death is is our life and we are in a constant thread. So the mindset that you have when you are taking your kids through schools is that
Marc Beckman: We meaning Israelis?
Zeev Fragachan: Correct.
Marc Beckman: Yeah.
Zeev Fragachan: you gotta be very critical. You gotta be very critical of, uh, why am I taking my kids?
Is this guy able to do that? If he's sitting in his car or he's sitting in an office doing nothing or just passing by because he's a warm body with a uniform and a, and a pistol, that is what you need to ask as a parent. But because we are more self-aware, because we see the carnage and we see the killings and we see we are more sensitive to that, I think it's part of, uh, it is part of, again, the cultural
Marc Beckman: So, so it's training military background for the entire society, coupled with strong legislation that permits what in Israel, guns in Schools.
Zeev Fragachan: To permits the right people, either the teacher or the second or, or the guard or the police to be protecting that school,
Marc Beckman: and over here in the United States, there's no federal mandate. There's no federal legislation that provides that, uh, public schools need to, they must have armed guards, armed protection for the students, administrators, teachers, et cetera.
Zeev Fragachan: just, not just public charter schools. Private schools. Any education, any education, uh uh, institution have to have one. Um.
Marc Beckman: Zeev, is there any, is there any movement in Congress? Are there any congress people behind, uh, trying to organize a bill or pushing a bill through on this topic?
Zeev Fragachan: I'm pushing right now. I, we, we, I wrote a white paper about school safety that I, I, we are pushing right now, um, to some state representatives, um, to bring to, to, uh, Washington in, in, and our, our expectation is that it moves some. The, the people with power that the, I hope the president can see it and see the benefit of this because this is hurting our nation. This is hurting our kids. And the kids are the future. This is the people. I, I make a joke, but I'm guarding the, the kids who are gonna push my wheelchair when I'm an old man. Um, I hope they are there and they're alive and they're sane. 'cause this is also affecting, um, affecting the rest of the kids. They don't feel safe in school.
Marc Beckman: Which Florida Congress person is, uh, is supporting you, is advocating on behalf of that, that movement.
Zeev Fragachan: Well, um, we, we, I give this to, uh, Senator Rubio, right? Right before he, um, uh, I send it to his office right before he was, um, he was, um, going to the Department of Estate.
Marc Beckman: Yep.
Zeev Fragachan: um, uh, we, we, we try to keep in contact, contact with them, but again, it's
Marc Beckman: He's busy.
Zeev Fragachan: we are trying to.
Marc Beckman: Yeah. Yeah. So going back to the, the, uh, police officer, the guard, I'm kind of fascinated by the picture that you painted. You walk up to the school just recently, like, was that like a week or so ago? And you tap on, you,
Zeev Fragachan: This has been happening in multiple locations, in
Marc Beckman: so you tap on the cops door, right? It's like actual, like a, it's a police officer.
You tap on his door and then I think you have three different issues with that person, right? You have policy. Which we're kind of touching on legal policy. Um, then you have training, right? I think there's, you touched on that issue, but it's my understanding, uh, going back to Parkland for a minute, cowardice, I.
The, the person that was hired at Parkland or, or I believe it was a governmental official, if I'm correct. The first, um, person who was there on, he was scared, right? Didn't he hide behind a wall the entire time? He was a coward. So how do you get over that issue? So he's talked on legislation, we talked about training.
How do you get over the cowardice?
Zeev Fragachan: It's, it's a great topic and um, um, uh, deputy Peterson is the one who actually hide there.
Marc Beckman: Yeah.
Zeev Fragachan: even worse case in Alde where, where 19 police officers were
Marc Beckman: Yeah.
Zeev Fragachan: staying there, doing nothing. I have the recordings of the, one of the girls who has survived the initial shooting, calling his dad and telling, I can hear the police outside why they didn't come in and kill this guy. Um, listen, number one. make it, uh, a, a, a offense, a criminal offense with a mandatory minimum census of at least 10 years, for not acting. Um, number two, make sure that when you hire people, you don't hire it, uh, as, as a career, as a path to a, um, um, uh, retirement because that's what happened with Officer Peterson when Deputy Peterson was there.
There was a, I think it was a couple days before retirement, and he
Marc Beckman: Yeah, I understand that too,
Zeev Fragachan: I'm not risking my retirement for anybody.
Marc Beckman: right? Insane, terrible.
Zeev Fragachan: correct. And and more importantly, you need people with connection with kids. I, I, as I
Marc Beckman: I agree.
Zeev Fragachan: I, I, I'm a father. Uh, my kids are irreplaceable, as a son. When I see my kids now, I understand why my dad loved me so much, and I, why when I don't call home, I was such a, such a, such a stupid guy. Um, and, and I think that's something that parents need to understand. Um, um, you, you need to have somebody as a parent. You need somebody mature. You need somebody who knows the value of these kids and interact with the kids and, and. Make their kids their own because when you care, you will do. And as a parent, I told you, I will die for my kids and I will kill for my kids in heart.
Marc Beckman: All right, but we don't have parents running, uh, security at these schools right now. But let me, let me shift gears for a minute. Um, after 1996. At the, you might be familiar with the Dun Blain massacre. I believe that was in the United Kingdom. Um, and uh, soon thereafter in Port Arthur, Australia, um, the UK and Australia banned handguns entirely.
I. Um, you know, obviously we have a Second Amendment issue here in the United States, which, you know, I obviously support and, um, I know your position clearly, you're Pro Second Amendment and, and you believe that, um, as it relates to school safety and protecting our next generation, guns are absolutely necessary.
However, I want you to make a straw man argument. In favor of removing guns. Can you, if you had to switch sides here for a minute, I know this is tough, I'm sorry to surprise you, but if you had to switch sides, like what's the opposite side saying Zeev, like in with a straight face straw man argument, what would you say?
Uh, the reason is to get rid of guns. Sorry.
Zeev Fragachan: me, you put me in the spot, and I
Marc Beckman: Yeah.
Zeev Fragachan: something. Number one, I, I do not make the argument of, of not removing guns. Uh, lightly. Uh, I, I just been practical and I am a person of data. I want to collect the data. The amount of guns in, in the streets right now in the United States is so high, and right now you have another problem, which is the 3D printing. Right now you can print a gun, uh, almost anywhere. And in Europe, it's being flooded right now with people with 3D printing, printing guns. And it's just a moment, it's a matter of time. When you can, you're gonna have attacks.
Marc Beckman: It's a real issue. I don't know if you know, but I had on my show here on some future day, are you aware we had the Queens County da? Um, and that's the, uh, she has the highest rate success rate of, uh, pulling back 3D printed guns in the country. It was a major topic and she admitted on the show you can, if you're listening, if you're viewing, you go back and watch.
DA Katz admitted that law enforcement and legislation cannot keep up with 3D printed guns. The guns are not detectable in traditional um ways, and it's a real issue. They look, they're designing them, you know, like, hello kitty guns now, and they're shooting as hard as iron guns.
Zeev Fragachan: You know that, um, I wanna tell you something that is impact us a lot. Last year we confiscate 27 guns, just us as, as a company from schools in Florida. Um, and part of that success is that we introduced a a weapon detection animal. Um, it's been absolutely successful. The amount of weapons, and we confiscate, by the way, we confiscate most of these weapons in second Chance schools where the weapons were not brought to campus necessarily to shoot anybody. But these are kids who live in tough neighborhoods where weapons are self-protection. If you don't have one, you may be a victim. And, uh, we, we get all these, these, these weapons from the periphery. the, of the school and dumpsters and bushes and all that kind of stuff. Yeah.
Marc Beckman: what percentage were 3D printed,
Zeev Fragachan: um, not many. I
Marc Beckman: right. Can't detect, right. Is that because you can't detect it?
Zeev Fragachan: the question is that the, the 3D printing guns, which I saw, uh, I saw so far are so well printed. It is gonna be very, very difficult to distinguish from a real one.
Marc Beckman: Yes,
Zeev Fragachan: because you have parts of real guns, so you don't really know which one is what.
Marc Beckman: but they don't need that now. Like not all 3D printed guns need to have the iron pieces. It's my understanding, according to a colleague in the DA's office here in New York City, yeah, yeah.
Zeev Fragachan: That's correct. We, we haven't, we haven't found anyone so far that is a hundred percent 3D printing. Um, but we do have, uh, found a lot of knives. Also,
Marc Beckman: Yeah.
Zeev Fragachan: um, it's funny, sometimes we even prevent the distribution of drugs because kids don't even know the difference.
So when they saw the dog, you start seeing, uh, uh, young age boys and girls going to the bathroom to dispose of all the drugs and they have on them. 'cause they really know, don't know. Why we have the dog there uh, going back to the, to the topic of the, of the weapons, um, I, it's very difficult for me to find any argument on that, um, in a sense that other than make it more restrictive, um, the bad, bad guys and bad actors are always gonna have access to guns.
They've gotta find a way. It's like any other problem. If you don't found that you found it in the black market, you gotta just make it more expensive and more difficult to get it. But if I need it, I will. And we haven't talked yet about. which is I have to tell you, it's coming to the United States.
It's a matter of time where we have a terrorist attack in the United States, I fear it is not gonna be necessarily a, a weapon attack. It's gonna be more ramming. It's happening in Europe, it's coming to the United States, it's gonna happen. Um, I can tell you, uh, that in our communication with Homeland Security and the FBI, we all are aware of that.
Marc Beckman: Zeev, are you saying that Homeland, US Homeland Security is telling your organization currently that we're under threat of a terrorist attack? Imminently?
Zeev Fragachan: We, we've been in a threat of terrorist attacks since nine 11
Marc Beckman: Mm-hmm.
Zeev Fragachan: are.
Marc Beckman: You think that there are like cells embedded in major cities like New York, la, Miami, so what are they waiting for?
Zeev Fragachan: Well, let me tell you what, what we fear. Um, we fear a massive attack. Just imagine for one second. uh, you organize low tech 4, 5, 6 attacks, some of them with weapons in let's say schools or, or um, or, uh, medical institution, hospitals, and you attack at the same time in the same city. is no police department in the United States who have enough resources to actually dispatch to all places at the same time. So some of them in def, some of them we know we will left. By themself, but whatever they have at hand, the security or the assigned police officer to that location, and that is a problem.
That is something that's a strong possibility that's gonna happen. Um, and, and I know law enforcement is trying to prevent that. We, uh, trying to prevent that, giving all the tools necessary to our officers and our personnel who assigned to schools and educational institutions and everywhere, all the tools necessary to hold. To hold in place and be able to deal with any threat, uh, as much as possible before police arrive. Why? Because we cannot guarantee then the police is gonna be there in 10 minutes or 20 minutes or 10 hours. We just don't know.
Marc Beckman: So Zeev, it's interesting, Chris, like a lot of people argue that media coverage. Fuels the fire for killers in school, in school settings. But since you took us out of schools for a minute, what do you think is going on as it relates to media coverage and terrorism? Perhaps domestically, like for example, people might not like to see some of the political rhetoric coming from the left and the right people might, you know, there's obviously a lot of hatred for.
President Trump, notwithstanding the fact that a majority of the country voted for him, um, there are policies in place that are maybe taxing on people's savings. Their 5 0 1 c threes, the tariffs, excuse me, not their 5 0 1 c threes. Um, their, the tariffs are hitting people's life savings. Um, you know, there are a lot of issues at play right now.
Do you think these media, these media outlets, could be fueling some level of animosity that will also cause. Uh, shootings and, and, um, encourage like domestic terrorism and, and violence of this nature.
Zeev Fragachan: Well, I consider all these attacks to Tesla, for example, domestic terrorism.
Marc Beckman: The Teslas.
Zeev Fragachan: Teslas, uh, I, I think that's domestic terrorism. However. Uh, I think the, the, the, the issue goes more wider than just politics is, is obviously the sensation of, of, uh, of, uh, creating this animosity. Um, I think we should use more judgment, uh, be more, uh, specific and, and more adult, um, on and more responsible for what we, uh, what we publish.
Um, other thing is, and, and this is super important, um, I think with diminishing, diminishing. the, the, the risk we have as a society of fueling, um, hatred. Um, I'm a Jew. Um, kid is being, it was Target or while the beginning of the war in Gaa, in, in his university, as long as any other student, um, just because they were Jewish.
Marc Beckman: Which University?
Zeev Fragachan: He was in FIU. and hopefully they, they act very swiftly. decisively in, in the school and to prevent any further, um, um, acts of that. But, but the reality is that some of the schools and some of the things that I saw are completely disconnected from reality and
Marc Beckman: Well, I mean, you just saw we're, we're, we're shooting this on what, what's today, Thursday, May 8th, I think it is. Um, so you just saw last night, uh, I, I don't know if you're aware Zeev, but right here in New York City, uh, there was a big, um, uh, event again, pro Hamas in Columbia, in their library on the streets.
And I don't know if you're aware of this one, but, um, Kanye, Ye dropped a song last night in the middle of the night, like three, four in the morning on social media. And I believe the song's title is Heil Hitler. Did you, have you seen this?
Zeev Fragachan: Yes, unfortunately I saw it. And, and uh, they, they, what, what is shocking to me is
Marc Beckman: it's catchy. I mean, it's a song, honestly, like it's a cat. I hate to say it. It's a catchy song and these kids are gonna play it.
Zeev Fragachan: got it. We are living in the 21st century and it's, it's mind blowing to me that we are discussing this after everything happened in the past century. Uh, this is something that I thought it was, a matter already solved and that we already discussed it, and in the other countries that some of them, I hear the, the local media talking about. The Holocaust and why it happened, and why it was terrible and horrible and, and then, then all of a sudden we forgot about that. And young kids who know nothing about, uh, the reality on the ground, the, the hate and, and the Jewish state and what is to be a Jew and what is to be a minority. It's like we forgot that.
And the, the shocking part is that the teachers, the instructors, the, the people in charge in those universities forgot about that too.
Marc Beckman: well, we're also going through a transformative moment on a global scale. So like, again, our, our conversation's been isolated to school shootings. Period. But you know, since you're expanding, I mean, another thing that caught my attention is that today the, um, prime minister of, uh, France Macron welcomed a former Al-Qaeda, like just a repackaged Al-Qaeda.
I. Leader in Alani or Al Shara, which is his new name. He's even repackaging his name. He walked in with his sharp cut suit. He looks like Tom Ford. And you know Macron's, I don't know if you caught this, Macron stopped him and turned him to the cameras and they shook hands and he is welcoming, you know, a known terrorist into the halls of, you know, France's government.
Zeev Fragachan: The pragmatism of being a politician is not shocking to me. I see it in real life, especially when you, you are, uh, following orders and sometimes those orders don't make any sense because they are politically motivated. I can tell you that, um. How the families of the victims, per, because he's a perpetrator, how feel when they, they are legitimized by, uh, by, by the French government.
Marc Beckman: He's wiping out, like as we're talking, he's wiping out the entire Drew's population in Syria. I'm sure you're aware. It's like he's just like literally shredding the Drew's culture. Beautiful people, like wonderful people, and he's just shredding them in Syria right now. I believe actually, in fact, Israel sent them armaments, uh, to protect themselves.
Zeev Fragachan: that we have a very special relationship with the Jewish community community. They, they were, they were marginalized and, and persecuted by, by the, ma the Muslim majority in, in, in that region. And, um, we, we have a special connection with them ' cause we know what it is kind of, um, when, when you're being persecuted, you, you tend to side with the persecuted. Most of the time, and, and this is, this is one of those cases, and some of them even serve in the IDF. I serve some of them, and they're wonderful people.
Marc Beckman: Yeah, I know amazing people. Zeev just to take that, uh, thread a little further, but tying it back to children and American children in particular, these, um, current, like the modern day terrorist is infiltrating a lot of different areas, including gaming and social media. So I. We started off our conversation and we analyzed for a second how social media is impacting kids to, uh, inspire them to become school shooters.
But I think there's also a level of caution that, uh, parents and families need to know about, which is. These terrorists are now going into these friend groups in Roblox, in Minecraft, all over gaming, all over social media. They're befriending and influencing for sympathy towards these terrorist groups.
It's a whole different level of terrorism. It's soft power terrorism, uh, that we're witnessing and that we're experiencing right now. They're, they're influencing American kids to have sympathy for terrorist killers.
Zeev Fragachan: Uh, I, I, I cannot agree more with you. Uh, it is, uh, brainwashing in my opinion, um, because it make it cool. make it cool to be a, a freedom fighter. Remember, there are no terrorists for them. They're freedom fighters. It doesn't matter the, the, the how many people, how many innocents you killed, it, it just matter the results for them and, and. It is disheartening when I saw, uh, uh, of these persecuted minorities. Like, um, like the other day I saw, um, um, some people, um, talking about the upper high state in Israel when I. Arabs in Israel can have an opinion. We have, uh, legislators, we have people in, in the, in con in Israel. They are Arabs with Arab parties and they vote and they have same rights that any other, any other Israeli because they are Israelis. What you talking about? Uh, uh, I, I, the disconnection from between this and reality is appalling, appalling.
Marc Beckman: So Zeev, it's, we're living in a very disjointed time period. I think that your fight, uh, for school safety is admirable, but I think it's gonna become increasingly difficult. I mean, we've touched on so many different layers with regards to profiling, school shooters to. The def, the line of defense, whether it's the private sector like your company and your primary focus, or the public sector legislation, technology, media.
I mean, there's so many different touch points and it's like this, this whole world is this. Disjoint right now. Even further, I think it's gonna be more complicated to protect our youth and protect the next generation Zeev. With every, uh, episode I end in a similar way. I have named this show Some Future Day.
It's a James Joyce reference. I don't know if you're a James Joyce fan. If you are, I commend you. You have a crazy mind then like me. Um, but I'd like to bring you into that world and, and wrap this baby up with, um, with that process. Are you in?
Zeev Fragachan: Absolutely
Marc Beckman: Alright. So in some future day American public, the American adults will be able to protect the next generation in school settings by.
Zeev Fragachan: providing a safe school, a safe location in their school for kids to grow and become better. Our current regeneration,
Marc Beckman: Zeev, is there anything else that you'd like to share with the audience today before we wrap this up? I know I said that was the last question, but I, I, I've cut you off a million times today and I love you, so give me if there's anything else that you wanna top it off with that the, the floor is yours.
Zeev Fragachan: we have a responsibility with our kids, our new future gener generations. need to be visual, commit ourself to be vigilant to. to demand elected officials and school administrators to do everything, they are the one responsible for the safety of our kids. If we break my heart, every time I, I talk to parents and they go to school and they talk to me and says, I don't know if I gotta see my kids tonight. I wanna have dinner with them, I know they're gonna come back. That is disheartening. We, we is in our power in this generation is in our power to solve this problem, committing the necessary funding and the necess the necessary legislation to the state and, and, and federal levels to protect our kids. It is, it is reprehensible we have elected officials expecting us to send our kids to schools with nobody. With nobody can protect them because there's no police, there's no security, there's nothing. We need to prevent the next, the next tragedy, and this is the only way we can do it.
Marc Beckman: Zeev, you're doing very important. God-like work. I appreciate it. Thank you so much for everything, and thank you for joining me today on Some Future Day.
Zeev Fragachan: Thank you, Marc.