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Marc Beckman: [00:01:00] Aviv, welcome back to Some Future Day. It's wonderful to see you. How are you today?
Aviv Shapira: I am good. Good to be back. Thank you, Marc.
Marc Beckman: Aviv since you, uh, joined Some Future Day [00:02:00] last time I've had a million inquiries about drones. All different issues. They were like, look, we love the show, but we want to go deeper into drones. We wanna understand more about how they're being used, um, not just from a defensive point of view, but from an offensive point of view.
People are concerned about privacy and all these other, you know, potential types of controversies that you must experience in your daily life. So I wanted to use today to go through, I listed out 10 controversies or 10 potential controversies. About drones and I wanted to like hit each topic with you quickly, like rapid fire and see how you feel about it From an expert's perspective.
I mean, for sure you are the number one leader in the drone space. There's no doubt about it. Xtend just continues to grow. I mean, since I've seen you last, you want to talk a little bit quickly about the growth you've had at Xtend?
Aviv Shapira: Yes, of course. Uh, so we are, uh, one of the leading [00:03:00] companies in Israel, Singapore, Europe, and, and obviously the US market is our, is our biggest, uh, playground, uh, trying to bring, um, experience from, uh, both the Ukraine War and the front in Israel to the US market. So, uh, there's a lot of, uh, very important things that we're doing with the US government.
We've actually opened our facility in Tampa, so that's the new headquarters for Xtend. Uh, we started manufacturing and, uh, and we also entered the law enforcement market. So, it's never boring here at Xtend. So.
Marc Beckman: So you're looking at, um, so Xtend is applying drones right now as it relates to search and rescue. Um, in, in the field with war. I remember for example, that um, your drones, uh, were the ones that iconic image of the drone flying into sin War in Gaza, the Hamas leader
at the last minute. Um, so in war, and then now you're getting into law enforcement and, um,
other areas as well?
Aviv Shapira: So, you know what the [00:04:00] use usage of drones are, are endless from agriculture to, uh, gaming to to cinema, right? Everything has drones today. A drone is basically a flying computer with a camera that has different types of payloads. That's it. This is a, that's a drone. Uh, we're trying to focus on, on places where, uh, we can actually save people's lives.
So yes, search and rescue, police, soldiers, firemen. These are the places that we are, that we feel that we can most, uh, uh, impact. Uh, and, and create a, a really use case that that saves lives. Maybe one day when we grow up, we'll, we'll try to do some more, uh, you know, uh, more, I would say civilian application.
Marc Beckman: So let's get into it though. That's a good segue. When you, when you mention, um, uh, emergency operations, uh, fire, fire, um, firemen or firefighting efforts, uh, one of the first controversies that came up in my mind was something that people probably don't see. [00:05:00] Much of it's interference, excuse me.
Interference with emergency operations, for example, when drones are, drones are deployed into firefighting efforts or ambulatory missions, ambulance missions, sometimes they get in the way. Is that a real controversy? What's that about?
Aviv Shapira: Um, I heard about it. Yes. Um, I, I, I would, I would say they, they get in the way if you don't know how to operate them. Right? I mean, um, that's, that's the thing today, uh, drones, especially in the us uh, in the US market, have to have, uh, a pilot near them to actually watch what they're doing. So when, when people are saying they're in the way, it means that if you're, if you're already there in the field as a fireman, as a search and rescue operator, just go and do the job.
You know, don't use a drone to, to now try to go through the windows, start flying the thing. Uh, and this is the revolution that also Trump is leading now that what's called beyond, beyond vision, line of sight. [00:06:00] So the drones can actually be operated from remotely replacing people. That's, that's the big change.
Marc Beckman: isn't that a big, big point of difference for Xtend? That's a, a, a real benefit for what you're offering, right?
Aviv Shapira: Yeah, I mean, uh, since we began, we've always, uh, uh, um, um, you know, we always created technology that, that really disconnect between human operators and robots and drones. That's the thing. This is, this is our core technology and uh, and this is why we've chosen, uh, mostly defense applications because in the civilian use cases, you have to have an operator physically watching the drone.
You know, if you look at like, uh, drone delivery companies, they have like, uh, literally someone going with a motorcycle beneath the drone guarding it so it doesn't fall from the sky. It's, it is what it is. This is, uh, the regulations, uh, in the US and, and uh, and, uh, this is now being changed. Uh, think from, from all the way from the top.
Marc Beckman: I see. That's interesting. So let's move on. The second issue that I wanted to [00:07:00] raise with you is the issue of. Since you're mentioning, uh, the gov US government and the top is the issue of secrecy and and lack of transparent transparency, I can't speak today. Lack of transparency in government use, for example, the United States government's use of armed drones for targeting and killing. Abroad, um, issues come up to play as far as criteria and oversight, and of course civilian casualties, but we'll get into the civilian casualty thing in a minute. Um, what issues do you see as far as moving forward as it relates to the lack of transparency? Um, we could focus in on the United States because you just raised the issue, but when the government uses drones, do you, do you feel like there's an a real significant issue for lack of transparency?
Aviv Shapira: we can, we can talk about it. Uh, I bel So first of all, the lack of transparency to my understanding, comes from co uh, confidential, uh, equipment and [00:08:00] technology. Uh, the US government doesn't want its, uh. Uh, enemies to know what they have in their arsenal because they can potentially use counter measures to actually defeat that.
I'm, I'm, I'm guessing that's where it's coming from. It's not because someone is trying to, uh. Create a conspiracy. So, uh, specifically we're talking about unmanned air vehicles, fixed wings. Uh, we've seen these, uh, you know, even in, in the Al-Qaeda operation, they had these, uh, mq, forgot the number, 20, 20, 28, 29, 26, you know, reaper drones, predator drones, uh, using weapons to actually hit the enemy.
so the more advanced systems of that type of technology is confidential. And, and, and, uh, when they use that in war, the US government doesn't really want, uh, everyone to know what they're doing. Same thing for Israel, by the way. Uh, there's a lot of things out there, you know, things that you can see with your eyes and things that you can, uh, read on the, on, on online.
But there's a [00:09:00] lot of unmanned systems, uh, that are actually confidential, both in Israel, the US and I would say everywhere in the world.
Marc Beckman: You mentioned countermeasures. Are there countermeasures? Like how, how could a drone attack be stopped? Like I
think the, um, attack that we saw recently deep into Russia, Ukraine, uh, into Russia was really fascinating.
Uh, the way they executed that, I read that it took them about a year to plan
that. Could Russia have defended itself?
Aviv Shapira: Uh, first of all, uh, yes. The answer is yes. I, so we also encounter the same problems in Israel. So when, when we started the war. We found out that you cannot really use RF comm, normal RF communications to fly drones like wifi or, or, or like normal radio. So everything became encrypted and even that wasn't good enough.
And then we moved to fiber. So drones actually have fiber cables, uh, running between, you know, the ground station and the drones themselves. And then that also wasn't enough in some cases. So we had to move to completely AI pilots [00:10:00] flying the thing. So you have this. You know, this com flying computer, right?
It's, it's, it's, it is what it is at the end of the day with some munition flying with AI and actually trying to destroy targets. So that's, that's, um, I'm, I'm sure that's gonna be one of your next questions. How do you use, do you use AI to actually, uh, do these types of missions? But anyway, to, to your previous question.
Uh, um, uh, yes, we've, we've encountered, uh, a lot of, a lot of, uh, countermeasures trying to stop us. Uh. And, and, and the way we actually over overcome it is, is use technology like fiber, like ai, like everything we have.
Marc Beckman: How do drones get knocked out of the sky, though? I've heard so many different things from the use of sound to the use of nets and beyond, what's the most effective way? Um, an entity on the defense of an incoming drone attack could defend itself.
Aviv Shapira: The most common way is called, uh, cyber, cyber spoofing or jamming. [00:11:00] So you basically hack on the radio frequency and you, and you basically tell the drone either to land or you jam it. So there is no communication between the drone control station and the drone, so that these are the most common ways. And because of that, uh, uh, we are flying drones and, and, and our enemies are flying drones without communication like fiber.
Um, the second counter measure, the, the second, uh, uh, common countermeasure is GPS. When you kill GPS, they can't navigate, you know, how do you navigate without GPS? So this is why they're using, uh, pilots who are using their eyes to fly these drones without GPS. And then, uh, um, you know, the, the, the next, the next thing, uh, is basically, uh, uh, EMP or different types of energy like laser, uh, solutions.
And that's a bit more harder to, to overcome. There are ways to overcome it, but is going back to the previous question, that's a bit classified.
Marc Beckman: So are, are, are the most advanced drones now? [00:12:00] Working, functioning off of ai, like Xtends and, um, uh, are, are there still these like, kind of like primitive models that are working off of radio frequency
that you're seeing come out of terrorist organizations? I.
Aviv Shapira: 99.9% of the drones are still using radio. They're still. Not using ai. The more advanced companies, uh, are using AI for different types of things. For example, uh, homing. So we all know that, uh, cyber is more, more relevant as close as you get to your target. So if you want to destroy, let's say a tank just for the ex, this example around the tank, there's gonna be a dome.
Of counter measure, measure solutions like jamming and cyber. So this is where this, in these areas, you want the aircraft to actually complete the mission without, uh, uh, humans actually piloting it. So there's a thing called homing, which means, uh, you select your targets and the aircraft, the drone will actually destroy [00:13:00] that target without human, human, uh, manual flights.
So it, it started to become more common. But only the adv advance. The more advanced companies have that.
Marc Beckman: Let's move on to the third topic, which is the weaponization of drones by non-state actors. Think in terms of terrorists, for example, and then we could get into, um, criminal organizations too. I think it's interesting here in the United States. I've read just recently that I, down in Mexico, the drug cartels are now sending. Drugs, uh, via drones over the, the southern border. I don't know if you're familiar with that, but you know, obviously with drones, a couple of efficiencies from my, um, uh, level of knowledge come into play. They're, they're not expensive to build and they could be built in a quick way. So what type of an advantage, what kind of access do terrorist organizations get as it relates to drones?
Aviv Shapira: Uh, you open a YouTube, uh, video. You, you, you, um, order the [00:14:00] parts from all Express and you, and you build a drone. It's that simple. Anyone can do it. Um.
Marc Beckman: Wow.
Aviv Shapira: Yeah, I mean, uh, you know, just think about it, uh, before drones became weapons, they were, uh, they were part of, uh, something called, uh, you know, a, a, a sporting league.
So people were actually racing with this. So it, it's an amateur sport, uh, robotics in general, you know, everyone, everyone has access to, uh, you know, uh, flight controllers and motors so that everyone can build a drone. That's, that's the easy part. Uh, when it comes to software. That actually deals with the drone and makes it more autonomous and more resilient.
That's where things are a bit more complicated, and that's where companies like us are, are, uh, leading, leading the way. Uh, but yes, I, I, I'm pretty sure, uh, I'm actually pretty sure Mexican cartel are just buying Chinese drones off the shelf. I mean, you can just buy them.
Marc Beckman: That's amazing. So it's easy. Anybody could get a, a drone and just, uh, build it out to attack at some level. How [00:15:00] much would it cost if I was gonna go to YouTube and, and what was it called? Ali Express did you say?
Aviv Shapira: Apress is like, uh, is like a Chinese, uh, Chinese, uh, uh, a very big, it's like Amazon of, of China
Marc Beckman: Okay. And then, um, how, how much would it cost if, if, you know, you and I just wanted to pop onto all
Aviv Shapira: uh, $500, $300
Marc Beckman: Nothing.
Aviv Shapira: Yeah. Less the price. Less the price. More or less, yeah.
Marc Beckman: Let's move on then the next topic, number four, which I think is an important topic, is the issue of data security and espionage risks. so there are, uh, big concerns here in the United States that the early versions of the drones that the United States government was using was built by China. And I'm wondering if that's accurate. Can China still access, uh, sensitive information
Aviv Shapira: So, uh, a, a, according to my knowledge, um, drones coming from China [00:16:00] have a backdoor to China. That means that all the videos, all the data that is captured is on the Chinese servers. So, yes. Um, and that's, I would say, I would say like 80% of the drones in the US market.
Marc Beckman: Yeah, that's, that's incredible. So that's an accurate thing. I think DJI came in and really disrupted the, um, like casual user drone market by undercutting the entire industry. They lowered the prices and then just dominated. Um, and it's interesting, DeepSeek did the same thing with regards to, uh, let's say search ai.
Just to keep it simple, it's a Chinese entity and I know that in their terms. Um, uh, and conditions of agreement, uh, American consumers went in, actually, I don't know if you're aware, but DeepSeek was the most downloaded app for a while. It went up to 2 million within the first day it launched,
but all of the content that's built into it or captured from American users. Is served, stored on, um, [00:17:00] Chinese servers,
and as a result in that contract with the users, it says We can use all of your data as we wish the Chinese government can access any corporation, any Chinese corporation that's storing data in China, the Chinese government can access that. So it's pretty, it's pretty
Aviv Shapira: It's the same for, the same for, uh, security cameras. It's the same for drones.
Marc Beckman: Alright, let's move on to an issue that I think is gonna hit you in a, in a place that you're probably sensitive to the issue that I raised a little earlier. Civilian casualties and, and collateral damage. I mean, we've seen, um, drone strikes result in unintended deaths. I think we've seen this in the Middle East during the Obama administration.
It was like highly publicized. I'm curious from your, your perspective, um. Are there new ethical concerns? What are the ethical issues that we need to be concerned about as it relates to,
um, collateral damage as a result of, uh, drone strikes?
Aviv Shapira: In, in, in my view, it's, uh, c you know, c collateral damage [00:18:00] and civilian casualties happen in war. Regardless of, uh, what we do. Uh, drones are actually being used to do more surgical operations, so. And, and if you look at the, the, you know, if you look at the other solution, if you, if you take a bomb, uh, like a one ton bomb and you send it over a building versus sending drones that actually pinpoint and hit the relevant, uh, um, you know, uh, terrorists, then, uh, then, then, then the equation is pretty simple in my view.
But, um, but yes, for everything that uses weapons, there's always casual, you know, civilian casualties around it. Um, um, you know, you might, you might say that, uh, uh, if you use drones versus people on the ground, then yes, I mean, you are up above, you're sending your missiles from a drone. You know, it's very hard to actually know where, you know what you're shooting.
People can get in the way, but when you compare it to an F 35, you know, throwing a wonton, a bomb or whatever, [00:19:00] there's no comparison. It's much, much more safe, surgical, ethical.
Marc Beckman: Do you think the, the world cares though about the issue of like ethic, ethics when it comes to war? It's interesting on, on Some Future Day. Recently the former United States Ambassador to Poland, Georgette Mosbacher, spoke about. War is war and people die. If you look back at World War ii, tons of German civilians who were not part of the military, the Nazis basically died as a result. Um, why, why are countries like the United States and, and Israel, I think, compelled to be so strategic, so sensitive, so surgeon, you know, to be so surgical about their strikes. Uh, but it doesn't seem like the rest of the world is, is held to the same standard.
Aviv Shapira: uh, so first of all, you know, there, there are a lot of, um. Um, throughout, throughout the years since World War I, there is a consensus, you know, uh, in Geneva, in Oslo, in, in [00:20:00] many places, that people are saying we have to create standard, even a standard for a war, right? The war can be just. It is what it is.
Some countries, like we see right now in one of the conflicts between Ukraine and Russia, I guess there is no standard, you know, they're just doing whatever they wanna do. Um, but, but NATO countries have to oblige to a certain standard. I mean, uh, even war as,
Marc Beckman: I mean, what we're seeing as far as like attacks from Russia into Ukraine, it's just all just out of control. Tons and tons of drones going into Ukraine with tons of, uh, civilian casualties.
Aviv Shapira: Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, this is exactly where countries like U.S., Israel, other NATO countries and and allies are not, are not able to do that and don't want to do that. It doesn't serve the purpose of the w
Marc Beckman: Do you think the um, art of warfare is going to fundamentally change in the immediate future because of drones?
Aviv Shapira: It is changing. Um, you know, look, look what happened, uh, last week. It changed things forever. I [00:21:00] think we understand now that uh, a $500 drone, um, can now kill, uh, I don't know how much is a bomber? Two, $2 billion. I'm just making a number, uh, maybe half of that. Um, and, and before it was only tanks. It, it was only cars and vehicles and people.
Now it's destroying the, the, the most strategic assets of Russia with $500. Right. So I think it changed things forever.
Marc Beckman: What kind of payloads does, did Ukraine need to equip those drones with to be able to knock out all of those, those, you know, big military, uh, air Force
Aviv Shapira: Each one of these drones, uh, each one of these drones carried anywhere between three to five pounds. That's it.
Marc Beckman: Wow. That's incredible.
Aviv Shapira: Yeah.
Marc Beckman: Alright, let's move on to topic number six because we are, this is like a hot, we're just moving here, right? That's
Aviv Shapira: Yeah. Quick.
Marc Beckman: uh, number six, because I'm thinking about the fact that those drones had to get from Ukraine to Russia. I know they were on the ground for the most [00:22:00] part.
But what happens now, like in the United States for example, we've had these moments in time that like, you know, for a month, all of a sudden people are seeing drones flying all over the place in the New York City area, uh, flying across, uh, Florida, in, in areas of California. So people are concerned, um. Not just curious as to like where those drones are coming.
People were even like hypothesizing that they were UFOs, but, or,
or foreign China, Chinese drones spying on us. But,
Aviv Shapira: they were Chinese drones, but
Marc Beckman: they were,
they, were.
Aviv Shapira: they were DGI drones. Yeah.
Marc Beckman: So people are concerned with public safety, right? So all of a sudden we have access. All of these individuals can build. You're saying it's really not expensive to buy and
build a drone, and any anybody could do it, a kid could do it.
But what happens when they're, these drones are flying near major airports, for example, JFK, LaGuardia, Newark. What happens in those instances? Is
there a real new risk [00:23:00] now?
Aviv Shapira: that's my biggest fear. You know, an airplane when it's, when it takes off, it's really v vulnerable. And, uh, that's, that's, uh, the biggest risk I can see for drones and, and, you know, terrorism in the future.
Marc Beckman: let's talk about an issue that is recurring in a lot of interviews that I. Um, talk about, I want to hear the, uh, expert answer
what happens when a bad actor. Um, somehow accesses one of your drones. Is there something that you are doing to, um, uh, protect, uh, to protect the good guys? Uh, in the event that a bad actor gets one of your drones? Is there something that
you're, like a kill switch that you're building into the
algorithm or another safety mechanism that makes you and, and all of us feel a little bit better about things?
Aviv Shapira: Yeah, of course. So all, all of the advanced drones like ours is, are based on software. Uh, and that software has a lot of encryption, a lot of codes and, and, and, uh, uh, [00:24:00] firewalls. So without, uh, the relevant keys and approvals, it's just a dead weight. It's just a piece of. Metal and, and processors and, and motors.
That's it. So if, if you don't have the right to access and fly this drone, it's nothing more than a piece of metal.
Marc Beckman: Well, let me ask you this though. You're, you know, you're saying that it's also, um, metal combined with incredible software with artificial intelligence, and we just read stories last
week about. A GI, maybe approaching a GI where it was training itself to not be shut down. I'm sure you read about that too. Um, do you think that that's something that bad actors can implement as it relates to overcoming or, or superseding the kill switch in the algorithm?
Aviv Shapira: I think, uh, in five years from now, you're gonna see a robot, which, when I say robot, it's gonna be a drone, a humanoid, whatever, finding another robot. And this, the, the one who's smarter will, will actually win. That's, that's the, that's the thing. [00:25:00] Um, so it's all gonna be about software, winning the war, about winning the battle.
It's all only about software.
Marc Beckman: Where would the humans be?
Aviv Shapira: Uh, good question. Um, I would say in the beginning, building that hardware, but, uh, maybe a few years from now, even, even, uh, robots will build the other robots. So I'm not talking about, uh, um, you know, like a, uh, a bad, a bad, uh, apocalyptic dream. But, uh, this is, this is where the world is going. So, uh, and not only in drones and robots, just think about the public market rights.
Uh, AI is gonna do, uh, most of the work, uh, against other AI algorithms. So
Marc Beckman: Interesting. Yeah, we're looking at that right now in the United States recently. Uh, the government passed the, uh, take It Down act, and what it does is it protects individuals from non-consensual intimate imagery, essentially deep fake porn revenge, where an individual's image is placed upon or superimposed [00:26:00] on, you know, a, a pornographic scene and then spread out all over social media and one of the. Things that I've been exploring is like, well, how are the social media companies who are now for the first time accountable from this type of a thing? How are they gonna protect those victims or, or individuals who
don't want to be victims? And, um, the issue, the, the, uh, answer that I have time and time again is through artificial intelligence.
Aviv Shapira: Yeah, so there's gonna be better artificial intelligence and good ai, uh, fighting against one another
Marc Beckman: But,
Aviv Shapira: cyber. By the way, we, we've, we've been fighting cyber wars, hackers trying to, to hack, uh, firewalls and firewalls, trying to avoid, uh, hackers. It's the same for ai, I guess.
Marc Beckman: But I think like, moving on to number eight, like I think one of the big issues, Aviv, is the idea of can the United States government. Governments all over the world keep up with the advances in technology. So what I've found, for example, I, [00:27:00] I had a, um, we did a deep dive on ghost guns and 3D printed guns.
And what we find is that the government officials can't legislate properly or quickly enough to keep up with the new technology and then law enforcement. Can't enforce the technology.
So as we start to see drones coming into, let's say, um, civilian level crimes, do you think the government is capable of keeping up?
Do you think law enforcement is too challenged?
Aviv Shapira: They would need to ramp up their counter measures when it comes to counter US. So how do you actually stop a drone from flying without, uh, jamming it and ing it so you know, physical solutions. So like you have, uh, guns today, uh, as a physical measure to stop criminals, even to threat someone you know, you would need physical countermeasures against drones.
Uh, this is, this is what I think, this is what we're doing in Israel. This is what we're doing in the US as well. Uh, drones fighting drones.
Marc Beckman: And you [00:28:00] guys are, are using lasers to take them down too, right?
Aviv Shapira: Yeah, but lasers are not good for small targets like drones that fly low and fast. And sometimes in, in a swarm of a hundred or 200, that's, that's, uh, that's a, that's a big problem.
Marc Beckman: Yeah. So how big could those drones get today? Like, what's feasible if, if a, um, entity was going to create a drone attack, um, and they wanted like a big swarm, how big could that swarm be? Effectively, I.
Aviv Shapira: Don't look too far. Uh, the 300, uh, Iranian, uh, drones or forgot the number around that number. You know, these, these are, these are drones that flew all the way from Iran. Each one with like 30 kilograms of, uh, munition payloads. Trying to, uh, destroy us, right? So these are roughly the sizes. Um, and they can go bigger.
Imagine, uh, if they decide to build a Boeing like aircraft that carry not 30 kilograms, [00:29:00] but th three tons of munitions, you know,
Marc Beckman: How far off are we?
Aviv Shapira: um, you know, uh, building, uh, uh, building, uh, a large airplane. You know, people know how to do that from the last, the last a hundred years, so,
Marc Beckman: Crazy. Alright, let's talk about, um, on the commercial side of the business, we're starting to see some market protectionism. We've been talking about China's DJI here in the United States and you know, there's a big movement to push them out now.
Um, do you think that there are gonna be new trade controversies, the tariffs that Trump talks about, will that impact the development of the, on the commercial side, what's happening as it relates to protectionism, tariffs, and, and trade controversies?
Aviv Shapira: Uh, first of all, it, it affects all of us. Uh, it affects Xtend, obviously, as a company that is manufacturing in Tampa. Uh, but, um, I think removing Chinese drones [00:30:00] without providing a solution, um, as an alternative, it's not gonna solve the problem. Right? If you take something from, if you take, uh. Something from a, you know, if you take a, like a candy from a baby, you have to give him something in return, otherwise he's gonna cry.
If you take a DGI drone from a police officer, he's gonna need something else. Right. So, unless there is a solution in place, this is, this is just half of, uh, half the picture.
Marc Beckman: Okay. And then finally number 10 is the issue of, you know, are we setting a dangerous precedent for global use? Is the lack of government oversight, um, leading to this global proliferation of armed drones, do you think that we've crossed into the Rubicon and there's no going back now and the world's gonna look. Very different. Or do you think it it's something that should be regulated and controlled immediately?
Aviv Shapira: I think it needs to be regulated. Um, um, you know, from an [00:31:00] ITAR perspective. So you cannot sell to whoever you want. You cannot, uh, sell certain parts in certain components that make up the drones. Um, um, the combination of robotics and ai. Are very dangerous together. 'cause remember, drones are a flying computer.
That's it. And they have the capability to travel places and, and do things. Bad things, good things as well, but bad things. Um, and that can be regulated. How do you regulate ai? The same thing for robots. I,
Marc Beckman: Got it. Alright. Well let me ask you, is there anything that we're missing that we haven't covered today that you think is important?
Aviv Shapira: No, I think we're, I think we're good. I mean, uh, I've been asked a lot how, how, how things changed for us, you know, since the beginning of the war. And, and I guess we had to, uh, learn how to fight a war. Uh, of drones without, uh, using GPS, without using communications, um, without sometimes using sensors because when you fly in places where you have some sensors on the [00:32:00] ground.
So we really had to change how we operate, both on, on the hardware and both on the software side of things. And our, our products today are 180% different, uh, degrees different than, than they were a year and a half ago.
Marc Beckman: Wow. Amazing. Alright, we gotta go through the process now. So I need you to finish my sentence, right? That's how we end the show. Do you? Remember.
Aviv Shapira: Yeah,
Marc Beckman: Okay, so in some future day, the Art of Warfare will fundamentally change vis-a-vis drones and robotics and it will look like
Aviv Shapira: it would look like Terminator two.
Marc Beckman: you really think. So
Aviv Shapira: Um, yes, but, uh, let's hope that, uh, our kids are not gonna be there.
Marc Beckman: how far off are we from that? When do you think that will be?
Aviv Shapira: Um,
Marc Beckman: of getting there now, right?
Aviv Shapira: we're getting there, you know, humanoids are all over the place. Yeah. And, uh, and humanoid by the way, it's like a drone just with arms and legs. It's the same [00:33:00] thing. So yes, it's, we're getting there very, very quickly. And AI is the juice. Powering these robots. So it's getting there very, very quickly.
Marc Beckman: so you gotta have the best juice makers in the world.
Aviv Shapira: Yes. And we're trying to be the good guys protecting, uh, uh, the good people. And, um, you know, uh, we, we, we actually started a team called the Shield Team about six months ago. Everything they're doing is to actually avoid these attacks on, on our assets, on our, on our people.
Marc Beckman: All right, Aviv, thank you once again for joining me on Some Future Day.
Aviv Shapira: Thank you, Marc. Glad to be here looking for the next time.
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